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Oslo Muslims protest against anti-Islam film

Published: 21 Sep 2012 17:06 GMT+02:00 | Print version
Updated: 21 Sep 2012 17:50 GMT+02:00

Hundreds of Muslim demonstrators gathered in central Oslo on Friday afternoon for a peaceful protest against an anti-Islam film, while some 150 radical Islamists gathered outside the US embassy.

Oslo’s imams were joined in the main protest at Youngstorget by the city’s Conservative Mayor Fabian Stang, and Lutheran Bishop Ole Christian Kvarme.

“With this peaceful protest we want to maintain and strengthen our unity. As believers we understand each other,” said Bishop Kvarme in a speech.

“We’re using our freedom of expression today to show that we need to have respect,” he added.

The head of the Islamic Council Norway also spoke to the crowd in the city centre square.

“We’re here to express our outrage at the violations we’ve seen of the prophet. This has nothing to do with freedom of expression; it’s just plain bullying of Muslims,” he said.

A large number of police officers monitored the second rally at the US embassy, where one person was apprehended.

“This world needs another Osama,” news agency NTB quoted one of the demonstrators as saying outside the embassy.

In Pakistan, deadly clashes flared on Friday as tens of thousands took to the streets , throwing stones and setting buildings ablaze to denounce a US-made film that has fanned global Muslim anger.

There were clashes in the country's five largest cities where four people were killed and 80 others were wounded, defying government calls for peaceful protests on what was declared a national holiday in honour of the Prophet Muhammad.
  
Western missions shut across the Islamic world, fearing further escalation of a 10-day violent backlash over the low-budget film "Innocence of Muslims" that has spread to 20 countries and left more than 30 people dead.

France, where a magazine this week published a series of cartoons mocking the Prophet Muhammad, has shut embassies, consulates, cultural centres and schools in 20 Muslim countries, fearing the backlash will spread from US targets.

There were also demonstrations across Asia on Friday in Indonesia, Malaysia, Japan and Bangladesh, where about 10,000 took to the streets of Dhaka to condemn the US film and the French cartoons.

In the Arab world, authorities were also braced for demonstrations, with an Islamist militia in Libya's second city Benghazi calling for protests and Muslims protesting in Lebanon.

US interests bore the brunt of protests against the film, which depicts Muhammad as a thuggish sexual deviant.

After French satirical weekly Charlie Hebdo printed cartoons caricaturing the founder of Islam, the government said it would deny requests to protest against the film and news of the cartoons appeared slow to filter to the Islamic world.

The magazine's editor, Stephane Charbonnier, mocked those angered by the cartoons as "ridiculous clowns" and accused the French government of pandering to them by criticizing the magazine for being provocative.

The United States is still investigating a deadly attack on its consulate in Benghazi on September 11th that left four Americans dead, including the ambassador.

The White House says the FBI suspects Al-Qaeda may have been linked to the attack, but it remains unclear whether it was a pre-planned assault or whether it sprang out of a protest against the film.

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2012-09-21 18:18:57 by Strictly
You better go back to your country to protest where freedom of speech and expression is prohibited. I wonder why the government will allow this nonsense here.
2012-09-21 20:41:39 by Englishted
We have seen what Muslim governments do to anybody who dares protest there. For example Iran (elections) Syria, Egypt, and many more. However allowing this protest shows the Western approach to freedom of speech,sadly the ones shouting loudest would be the same ones who would curtail that right in anyone who disagrees with "he who must not be insulted".
2012-09-21 20:55:16 by Saiko
I have read and saw multiple media reports about this protest with an many as 3000 protesters in attendance. I have not seen one protester which appears to be a female. Until these radicals free their female family members to engage in activities as equals, I find it hypocritical of them to be protesting that they have not been treated equally (defamation of Islam). Where are your women? Maybe, the women are clever enough to recognize that with freedom of speech comes sometimes unfair and hurtful and critical portrayals, and if indeed defamation occurs than pursue justice, but trying to curtail freedom of speech while promoting equality (of religion) is indeed a slippery slope, particularly from a crowd which has chosen to leave females behind.
2012-09-22 02:57:22 by susanj
Back in the 60's in San Francisco, we had the Hippies. I used to cringe looking at them. What I see here invokes similar feelings. Charles Manson convinced his followers to kill innocent people. They are all in jail. The Muslims convince their members to kill innocent people, yet they are still out there.- looking just as creepy as Charlie himself. These nuts are taking way freedom of speech all over the world. Charles Manson has a ready willing and able bunch of gullible, superstitious idiots out there to join him anytime. Warning: The black plague was spread by fleas.
2012-09-22 09:47:22 by Englishted
@ susanj Equating hippies with Muslin extremism is to say the least a somewhat surrealist notion. However in the way of freedom of speech you are perfectly entitled to your opinion and can feel quite safe that I for one will not be attack you physically for it.
2012-09-22 11:18:44 by Syed Tahirul Husnain
I am a Muslim, a master student of mathematics in Uppsala University. Guys what you know about Islam is through biased media or may be many of them are not biased but they do not have the right information about Islam. Often local cultures are perceived as Islam by many non-Muslims. Also the conduct of many Muslims is unfortunately against the teachings of Islam these days. I believe nobody else is more responsible for defaming Islam than Muslims them selves. But here are some facts despite all the negative mis-information you have: there are 1.6 billions Muslims in the world, every year more people around the world are accepting Islam (becoming Muslim, most of them in west, they are the best Muslims) than any other faith, Islam is a 1444 years old faith; that means many people have lived as Muslims before. How can a faulty faith have so many followers. How can so many people be fooled and for that long. So there must be something that Muslims know and non-Muslims do not. So my sincere advice to my non-Muslim friends is to do three things to know actual Islam ; (1) read an authentic english translation of Quran; every thing in (true) Islam has to be based on Quran. ( 2 ) Talk to a knowledgeable Muslim ( search this name on you tube ; Imam suhaib webb) (3) Meet a newly Muslim convert and ask them why did they become Muslim, I live in Stockholm I know many Swedes who accepted Islam; I pray with them often.
2012-09-22 20:05:31 by Dave N
Syed - First of all, I'd like to congratulate you on your English. That done - I have some awkward questions for you. I have read the Koran and many Hadith. I have a friend who was a Muslim for many years who before he left the faith tried to convert me to Islam. He actually gave me my Koran. The questions I asked him are the ones I am asking you - How can a man who had sex with a nine year old girl be regarded as "perfect"? How can a man who slaughtered hundreds of prisoners in cold blood be regarded as "perfect"? How can a man who dealt in slaves, kept slaves and even swapped slaves with his friends be regarded as "perfect"? How can a man who sent out assassins to kill his opponents be regarded as "perfect"? How can a man who tortured a prisoner in order to find the whereabouts of hidden treasure be regarded as "perfect"? I could go on and on with similar questions but that will do for the time being. My friend, by the way, left Islam because he could not cope with the gloating and celebrating at the mosque after 9/11. He had to leave his home and family of course as leaving Islam is punishable by death - which prompts one last question : are you OK with that? Now, please reply without using the usual lame excuses such as "unauthentic Hadith, "poor translation," "you can only understand if you speak Arabic" and "it's taken out of context."
2012-09-22 22:48:57 by Syed Tahirul Husnain
@Dave N, Yes my friend my english is poor, it is not my mother tongue. This is exactly the mis- information I was talking about or incomplete/out of context information which triggers negative thoughts, which will only go away if we have more and more civilized and academic dialogue. These are exactly the questions which are circulating among non Muslims. I am aware of most of them and also the westerner who becomes Muslim, my Swedish Muslim convert friends also. You have raised many issues, I will talk about the most burning issue here the rest you can email me at st_husnain@yahoo.com. Once we have discussed it you still have the right to disagree with me but I ensure you will do it decently. "The Prophet marrying a six year old girl, named Aysha, and they consummating the marriage when the girl was nine" This information appears in the most authentic book of Hadis by Bukhari. It is a book of narrations of the companions of the Prophet. You should find out what makes it authentic and how it was compiled. This particular incident is being narrated by Aysha herself and she has no objection at all to this marriage. There are hundreds of other narrations to her credit in the same book, many of them relating to her marriage with the Prophet. By the way all the wives of the Prophet are declared mothers of Muslims by Quran, so we address her Mother Aysha. Here is the context of the marriage: This marriage took place more than 1400 years ago in Arabia. You can find many other girls who were married in similar ages in the same community so for them it was culturally acceptable (same is the case for the Prophet having many wives. People used to have 25 wives in that community. The reasons were social and cultural. It was a tribal community but more about it some other time). There are no stigmas attached to remarriage in case a spouse dies or divorce. Either man or the woman could remarry to someone else in (true) Islam. Also for marriage the girl should be old enough to have babies and wise enough to know that she is marring someone. And of course, in true Islam, no one can force her to marry, her consent is the first requirement for the marriage to take place. You should read further about marriage in Islam and the rights and duties of husband and wife. Muslims believe that these conditions were met, why? Read further.
2012-09-22 22:51:02 by Syed Tahirul Husnain
It was a happy marriage. The evidence is in the same book (or other books of Hadis, read “Muslim”); the many other narrations by Aysha herself. I will quote just one, she says that Prophet and her used to race playfully, she would beat the Prophet when she was young but when she grew heavier the prophet would beat her. One other incident which really makes me emotional is that the Prophet died in her room, while his head in her lap. They were really in love like a husband and wife should be. Now something about her life after the death of Prophet. She lived for more than 50 years after his death. She never remarried nor she ever said a single word against the Prophet (you know how some wives are). There are verses in Quran confirming her piety. She became one of the most eminent scholars of Islam, both men and woman, the other scholars included, consulted her on religious matters. She was unique, like other wives of the Prophet, in a sense that she knew many personal things about the Prophet. His life at home and his behavior as father, husband etc. As far as her political prominence is concerned, she had the support of half of the Muslims in the battle of Jamal. You should read about it, she lead this battle against Ali, the nephew of the Prophet. This is my information. A good Muslim scholar would tell you many more things. You should read her biography and of Prophet as well. He was a very saintly person like a messenger of God. He was very poor, lived in a house of mud, wore patched clothes, barely ate fully. When the sister of his arch enemy Sufian was marrying the Prophet and people told Sufian he said he could not think of a person better in character, and some non-Muslims portray him as a womanizer. Here is a link, a Muslim speaker is speaking about the merits of Mother Aysha
2012-09-22 23:14:06 by Syed Tahirul Husnain
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7n19EQO7OEU
2012-09-22 23:24:23 by Syed Tahirul Husnain
There are longer videos Dave N. I will find them and share with you
2012-09-23 11:55:16 by Dave N
I see in your over long and rambling description of Mohammad's "happy marriage" that you didn't mention the Hadith in which Ayesha describes how he punched her in the chest during an argument and the one in which she says that his "revelations" from Allah appear to be oh so very convenient His treatment of other women, of course, was very much worse. He enslaved and raped captured women and authorised his followers to do the same. Then there was Asma bint Marwan who he had brutally assassinated. I'll remind you what happened . On Mohammad's instructions Muslim men crept into her bedroom as she slept, removed her baby (whch was sleeping with her) and stabbed her to death. And yet you Muslims call this man "perfect." Perhaps you will now understand why we laugh whenever someone calls Islam "the Religion of Peace." By the way - for obvious reasons, I will not be entering into any email correspondence with you, though I do look forward to you answering the questions about your "Perfect Man's" far from perfect behaviour that I asked - but please keep them short.
2012-09-23 16:04:50 by Syed Tahirul Husnain
@DaveN, There are 30 to 40 objections (lack of right information, mis-information, incomplete information or out of context information) about Islam and the Prophet that some non-Muslims have been raising for past some years. If you forget any of those I will remind you which ones are you forgetting. But some non-Muslims on the basis of these 30 to 40 objections refuse to accept a million good things about Islam and the Prophet, qualities in this faith which are making people like you living in the west become Muslim, a faith which has 1.6 billion followers and a faith which is more than 1400 years old. These critics lose the neutrality of their mind and heart and it is hopeless to even begin clearing these misconceptions. I do not need you to agree with me even if you have been replied, but we must agree to disagree respectfully, I have no objections.
2012-09-23 16:42:13 by Syed Tahirul Husnain
Because these are the teachings of my Prophet: “true Muslims are not sarcastic, they are not sharp tongued. They do not curse others nor do they use vulgar language” (Tirmizi)
2012-09-23 21:23:25 by Swedish Cath
Sweden has so much to learn from Norway.. We are to weak in Sweden to fight back while you say it as it is. Feels like we have larger problems in Sweden therefore. @ Sayed, Never heard a Muslim say -I am a Muslim but I respect the fact that you are not. I do not understand this obsessive behaviour of trying to convince people to join a religion? Please feel free to believe in anything you want but do not dictate the terms for the rest us us. I lived in a Muslim country for many years and as I was on your turf I respected the fact that I was a guest in your country. No drinking, no going out without a mans supervision, my mother did not work, drive a car wearing the Ni jab. Using the freedom of speech to protest on the streets of Norway to protest against freedom of speech is not very educated. Did you really believe in your wildest fantasies that you would get agreement? For me like many other Scandinavians believing in God equals having an imaginary friend ...do not care, However we value our freedom of speech as much as you value your Prophet. You want respect you have to earn it.
2012-09-24 11:48:11 by Dave N
As I thought, Syed, you are unable to defend the violent actions of your "Perfect Man" because in your heart you know that he was not perfect. I always think it strange that Muslims claim that Jesus Christ was a Muslim prophet too - even though it is quite obvious that they have nothing whatsoever in common. Jesus said things like " Let he who is without sin cast the first stone"and "turn the other cheek" while Mohammad said things like " Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them" and " strike off their heads and finger-tips." You say" it is hopeless to even begin clearing these misconceptions." It may be hopeless for you - but that is because they are not misconceptions - they are taken from the teachings of Islam itself and show Mohammad for what he really was. Someone earlier mentioned Charles Manson. If Mohammad was "perfect" - then so was Charlie Manson. You have been brain-washed, Syed. I feel sorry for you. Islam's greatest victms are the Muslims themselves.
2012-09-24 17:33:34 by Syed Tahirul Husnain
@Dave N, Time will very soon bring out the truth my friend. I will sincerely pray for you and for myself.
2012-09-25 20:00:36 by Dave N
You call me your friend, Syed - but having read the Koran I know that Muslims are repeatedly forbidden from having friends who are Jewish or Christian. It says you will go to hell if you do, you know.
2012-09-26 08:41:11 by Syed Tahirul Husnain
@Dave N. I wanted to close this back and forth argument but your last comment made me laugh. I have many non-Muslim friends even atheist friends and I am not going to hell because of this. You have put so much effort in collecting all this material which you have been sharing with me. With all the sincerity take my advice, write all your criticism about Islam with your proof and send it to Al-Madinah International University or Al- Azher University. Again you do not have to agree with every thing they say but at least you will know Muslim stance on these objections. Also try to contact this person Imam Suhaib Webb. He is an Imam of Boston Mosque, an american Muslim convert. He studied from Al- Azher University. You will trust him more. Hate me as much as you want but I did pray for you and I will keep praying for you.
2012-09-27 01:23:02 by Swedish Cath
Any person of any religion, any religious group, anyone or anything EXCEPT Muslims can have anything at all said to them or about them and you never see them start a bloodthirsty riot, grab RPG's and start bombing, shooting and murdering the ones who made the comments. My advice would be to put on you big boy pants and get over it. Quit acting like the goon squad. You can talk all day long about the "peaceful" religion of Islam but talk is cheap. If you want anyone to believe that, show them something besides the maniacal behaviour we usually see.
2012-09-28 16:08:08 by Dave N
Syed - Where did you get the idea that I hate you? It's your religion I hate. Now -You claim to be a good Muslim and say that you have non-Muslim friends? This is what the Koran says about this - Surrah 5.51 - "Believers, do not take Jews or Christians as friends...." Surrah 5.56-64 - "O Believers, do not take as your friends the infidels or those who received the Scriptures before you(Jews and Chritians)"... Surrah 9.23 - "O ye who believe! Choose not your fathers nor your brethren for friends if they take pleasure in disbelief rather than faith. Whoso of you taketh them for friends , such are wrongdoers." Surrah 4.123- "O ye who believe ! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you and let them find harshness in you"... I could go on and on with stuff like this. The Koran is full of it.Looks like you are a "wrong-doer," Syed. And wrong-doers burn in hell! BTW - Stop passing the buck and answer some questions yourself. Here's a simple one - What should be the punishment for a Muslim who decides to become an atheist or a Christian? Your wonderful "prophet" said that they should be killed. Do you agree with him?
2012-09-28 22:47:10 by Syed Tahirul Husnain
@ Dave N. This is another misconception. In Islam you are not punished with death on mere change of religion. Watch this video response by Dr. Bilal Philips. An Islamic scholar and convert to Islam as well. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBJmm-nfEow. I cannot explain it more clearly. Tell me what you think. As for Muslims cannot make non-Muslims their friends. This is illogical how will I invite others to Islam if I do not make them my friends. I am allowed to make individual non-Muslims my friends, but I am naturally asked to prefer Muslims. I cannot like their disbelief in Allah but this does not mean that I can be unjust towards non-Muslims. Everyone is equal as far as human dignity is concerned. The verses that you are quoting have a context, place and time of revelation. Have you read any commentary of Quran? Also, have you read the entire Quran. This person Imam Suhaib Webb, his videos on Quran are available on youtube. Just watch any one of them I am sure you will like it.
2012-09-28 22:49:53 by Syed Tahirul Husnain
And I did not claim to be a good Muslim. God knows better who is good and who is not.
2012-09-30 06:01:54 by canscan
@ Husnain - Why is that Muslims are only happing living in countries that are predominantly Christian, rather than in countries that are predominantly muslim? And then they want to change the Christian countries to more like the homes that they were unhappy in? Does any of that make sense to you?
2012-09-30 09:50:06 by Syed Tahirul Husnain
@ canscan, Will you please email me at st_husnain@yahoo.com. I have already abused this platform enough. Muslims and non-Muslims should talk more. I admit Muslims have many faults and non-Muslims are not perfect either but we should move towards some minimum common terms of peaceful coexistence. There are so many issues we can work on together. For example saving planet earth, we are losing it fast.
2012-09-30 10:30:29 by Syed Tahirul Husnain
I have no intention of forcing others to accept that Islam is perfect. You follow your faith and I follow mine. You have the right to criticize it, disagree with it but please do not misuse freedom of speech to insult my faith. You may believe Islam to be horrible, you may also be convinced to have irrefutable proof for it but without discussing it with the right Muslim scholars launching insults against Islam; I do not understand this behavior. Because the 1.6 billion Muslims living in this world believe otherwise.
2012-10-01 23:46:56 by Swedish Cath
@ Sayed I don't think anyone except for a couple of goon heads are trying to insult you or Islam, I just feel as we are discussing it people feel insulted just bringing the topic up. Yes we have different ways of communicating as our cultures are so different and in Scandinavia/ the West we often do it with a dry sense of humour. We are drawing cartoons and making jokes about serious topics to make them lighter to absorb. We were not born into this and offcourse acting even kinder I would say than if a huge bunch of Christians that you wanted to give a chance in life came to your country and started to tell you that everything you believe in, fought very hard for etc freedom of speech, women's rights etc is wrong. We would be telling you that our God is the only one and if you didn't like it ur insulting our faith. We would be protesting eating pork in the streets building churches to celebrate our Only God were homosexuals could get married and women can be out half naked. I know it would be a bloodbath within hours. We have not always been this liberated though. When I read the Old testament I feel this is practically the same type of wording and behaviour. This is how it was in our countries a 1000 years ago and we were invading countries killing people that did not take our faith. Women, homosexuals were treated the same and races should not mix the punishment of death was hanging over the smallest misdoing. After a while people started to move away from the church and stopped being controlled by religious leaders in the same way. As people started to think for themselves we got more liberated. During this time people fought very hard for the rights and welfare of our countries and protesting against freedom of speech and our way of living in our countries (our holy religion) you are insulting us as much as when we insulting your Prophet. It is due to the Welfare and the advance in our cultures we can actually help people among your fellow Muslims in our county,, we do have patience but not to any extent. Please place yourselves in our shoes as we do not understand why you are insulting us calling us animals without faith when you are the ones visiting our country. 8
2012-10-02 11:16:26 by Syed Tahirul Husnain
@ Swedish Cath. So far I have been responded only with sarcasm but thank you very much for your comment. Please patiently read my reply. First of all I condemn, with you, in the strongest terms anyone who calls you “animals without faith”. A Muslim is not a Muslim if he/she says this about anyone. Any person has the complete right to have any faith. Insulting other faiths is strictly prohibited in Islam. Such Muslims defame Islam and embarrass me. Laws should be made to punish such people. Second, majority of people, living in a country, has the complete right to choose whatever they believe is good for them and make laws accordingly. The minority has the right to keep trying in a democratic and civilized way to convince the majority about their point of view. If the majority refuses minority’s demands then minority has two options, live with the current laws or leave the country. If majority or minority are not behaving this way in any country then I believe they are wrong. Muslims are offended if someone insults their faith. As you pointed out different people have different definition of the term “insult”. So both parties need to sit down and talk the matter in a civilized way, but the west does not stop making caricatures of my Prophet and Muslims go and murder the USA ambassador. I believe both are wrong. I strongly believe that majority of the people living in the west will understand and respond positively once Muslims have explained them few things about their faith and the status of Prophet Mohammad (may peace be upon him) in Islam. Sadly Muslims are not even near doing this job. Other insults may make Muslims angry but any insults against the Prophet make them sad. Why would a civilized person make someone sad, so good people in the west will respond positively. It is a matter of life and death for Muslims. Millions of good Muslims, out of love for him, will give their lives for his honor (I pray such a time may never come). This is how Islam is whether you and I agree with it or not, whether you call us crazy or extremist. But we must coexist. None of us can leave this planet. We do not need to force each other to follow a universal faith. Let people follow the faiths they want to follow, as long as it does not affect others. As a Muslim I assure you that Islam as a faith has no harm for people following other faiths. It is the people, Muslims and non-Muslims both which interfere in each other’s business. There is a bigger problem. I want to talk about it too if you are interested. It is related to what I have written so far. Feel free to correct, disagree or criticize me. Muslims and non-Muslims must not stop talking and understanding each other.
2012-10-03 00:52:55 by Swedish Cath
Sayed. I agree with you that we do need to lift issues "even the difficult bits" out in the open! Me like you have many Muslim friends and lived myself with my family in Saudi Arabia. I see that there is a world between our cultures and our way of communicating. I see that we have both prejudice against each other and not making it easier. Unlike you I am not looking for a God to worship but my "religion" is freedom of speech and democracy,, this I share with the majority in Scandinavia. When you are protesting in the street, using violence, burning flags to stop us from doing that you are hurting our feelings in more ways than you can imagine and making us very offended. Just as you say that you could die to defend your prophets honour as well as I would personally not like to live if we fell under a dictatorship were everything we worked hard for were banned, This is very sacred to us and please look at it as you are insulting our faith. I just want to set that straight as it does not look like you actually understand that bit and insulted people turn in anger and desperation stabbing back were they know it hurts..your faith, If Muslims would come out in the way that you are and saying ..hey, you are hurting my feelings people would probably stop and listen. Instead we only know what we see and it is not a pretty sight. People getting out of control completely and if I was a Muslim watching that I would be embarrassed. We do not understand why you get upset over a couple of pictures and you probably do not understand that you are slapping us in the face telling us how to live our lives, The behaviour that is threatening is very scary and foreign to us and cannot identify with any of it. Definitely not helping our untrained eyes looking at Islam. As long as there is Violence there will be no respect...calm down and I promise you that you will be left alone. We both need to take a step back and open our eyes.
2012-10-03 16:41:38 by Cheshire Cat Grin
As a person of Germanic descent living in the States, it breaks my heart to see what is happening to Scandinavian countries that are under the onslaught of massive immigration and forced assimilation. Your leaders (like our leaders), who look like you and have no loyalty to you, will continue to pump more and more immigrants in, and the riots and rapes and Riyadhification will only increase. Is this really the Scandinavia that you want to leave to your children? In the States we are allowed (probably not for long) to state the obvious without being charged with hate speech: Africa for the Africans, Asia for the Asians, and White Countries for Everyone! If that was happening to any other group of people (other than whites) they would call it Genocide.
2012-10-03 19:26:01 by Syed Tahirul Husnain
@ Swedish Cath, Can not disagree with you. I promise you I will do something as far as Muslims are concerned.
2012-10-04 01:11:40 by georgewells
When we have: Africa for Africans, Asia for Asians, White Countries for Everybody, what do we have overtime? We have solid Black only and Solid Asian only countries, exclusively for Blacks and Asians, based upon exclusive genetics and culture. Culture is respected and so tolerable to these groups. They do not need to tolerate massive inflows of invaders and made to tolerate foreign cultures. We have more and more non-whites in White countries since the right of Whites to exclusive territory is denied them. We have fewer and fewer White people. How is this not White genocide? Anti-racist is a codeword for anti-white. When we mix more non-whites and fewer Whites in the same living space, what do we get? In time, White extinction. Its called White genocide because this does not happen by chance. It is being forced upon Whites just like a rapist does not take no for an answer. How is this not so? How is this not White genocide? Anti-racist is a codeword for anti-white.
2012-10-04 13:09:27 by strixy
Typical: Muslims enjoying Western freedom of speech to say it should not be allowed :P Eh?
2012-10-06 16:43:16 by Dave N
Syed - What misconceptions? Your prophet himself said that anyone who leaves Islam should be killed - and this is sanctioned in Shariah. Bukhari (52:260) - "...The Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.' " Bukhari (84:57) - [In the words of] "Allah's Apostle, 'Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.'" Bukhari (89:271) - A man who embraces Islam, then reverts to Judaism is to be killed according to the verdict of Allah and his apostle." And having read the Koran several times I can safely say that you are repeatedly forbidden from having non-Muslim friends. And your claim that "everyone is equal" is quite obvious nonsense - as the Koran describes non-Muslims as lower than animals. It would appear that you are deliberatley lying or you haven't actually read the Koran or the Hadith.
2012-10-09 09:07:44 by bryan73
Lots of wasted ink on this page, especially from Syed for one simple reason: there is no god. This is all about fictional characters. You can just as well be discussing Moominpappa and Moominmamma. The so-called prophets throughout history including Joseph Smith were either power-hungry con-men or lunatics. Or they never really existed as described. Please show me some evidence. And "because my daddy told me so" is not evidence. If there is a god that so desperately wants people to believe in him, why the heck is s/he so inefficient, only appearing to one man here and there throughout history? It's real easy to reach a wider audience these days. What the heck is your god waiting for? Religious people: time to admit you've been conned. There are currently around 4000 gods around the world today (so I've read). All exist without evidence of existence. So what makes yours the one?
2012-10-11 22:26:28 by Anti-Terror
Sorry guys, had to storm in on this....I think we are quite distant from the core....I'm not gonna explain or make any excuses or justifications for what was written in Quraan, Syed thankfully tried his best on this.... For us muslims, we still believe that the Prophet is perfect, nuff said here....We do not have to change this, cause you do not believe or you think that is a pile of crap....We should care less about this will all due respect to rival views, this is none of anybody's business, plus we are not discussing the personality of the prophet, that was not the point...This is not an anti-Islamic propaganda!! Jumping into the core, we are discussing why this is happening, why this trend or torrent of cartoons are spawning in Europe one after the other.....The truth is, It is us Muslims, not the doctrine itself, keep the doctrine aside.....The truth is alot of muslims have conveyed a very stupid filthy image about Islam, and I have read about Pedo'ing and rape incidents in Norway or Sweden from immigrants who call themselves Muslims, which is obscene....The truth is the lack of respect for women that is executed in the name of Islam that made us look like fools....Even with the cartoons thing, muslims went ballistic and flied out of rage and lost control, perhaps this is because of lack of education, patience, name it whatever... However, I think the more modern world like Scandinavia or the rest of the West if they call themselves so should be smarter, cause you are stereotyping ...People are not the same, Muslims, Christians, Jews, Atheists are not the same...Otherwise, the world should curse all Christians for the World Wars, Holocaust, War in Iraq, Hiroshima, Abo Gharib abuses and the list goes on....Stupid, isn't it?!!! I think the muslim world somewhat cannot grasp the idea of freedom of speech, and I'd say we are now driven into your Old ages where priests used to crucify pagans, non-followers...And who you see above among the protesters are radicals, and would not call them muslims....Just bear in mind, that there are radicals and folks with a mono-directional thinking, Swedish Cath, you hit the main point here....As a Liberal muslim, I'd say that People should not tell you what to do or how to live, muslims or non-muslims or American or Brits or whatever, and they should not launch orders on your land, cause this's offensive and terrifying..And I'd get agitated if any Swede or Brit immigrant or expat come and tell us how we should behave, however that dozen mean that I can offend his Bible or Jesus or Moses or even the royals in the name of freedom, that'd be utter nonsense, wouldn't it? Thing about races, is just utterly dumb...this is sheer science, if you live in more deserty sunny place, your skin'd be darker...If I live in snow, I'd have a brighter skin, so plain and simple... Eventually, Different ethnic or religious groups should not deal with this by or hatred or violence...there should be more civilized formula adopted here, like a mutual civilized dialogue to shun any collateral damage...And I think we started this already, if this propaganda happened in the states, we will write articles about Islam in Washington Post or Herald Tribune...If it does in France, we will do it Le Monde or Le Figaro...If it does in Norway, we will come after Aftenpost....You can keep the trend coming and sooner or later this will cease to exist without impacting your freedom of speech but with respect. Long but necessary evil
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